Marvin Shilmer
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Thankyou tv.jw! you are helping my wife wake up!
by stuckinarut2 ini have to thank tv.jw!!!
(im not putting the complete link, but you know what i mean).
after showing my wife the 'trolley song' as we now call it, she was rolling on the floor in embarrassment and shock.. she shook her head, and was clearly troubled by what we watched.. little by little, the org is actually helping more to wake up!
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Marvin Shilmer
What is this thing? How do I look it up to view it myself? -
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Marvin Shilmer
Garrett,
Much of what you depict is a predictable outcome based on an admission Watchtower made years ago of the reason for all the time consuming activity. Most JWs have no idea Watchtower officials made this admission, and it's telling:
Why the unrelenting pressure for more and more organized religious activity?
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Stop WT society information control by giving access to REAL information
by flipper inof course we all know that many ex-jw's are doing this online constantly and that's a good thing.
whether by you tubes, websites, blogs, etc.
the worldwide community of ex-jw's has been and will continue to be proactive in putting out real information to counteract and offset the lies and fantasy propaganda put out by the wt society.
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Marvin Shilmer
The following link offers three pages, each of which makes for a handy and helpful handout to aid JWs who have not found anything better to do then stand around hawking Watchtower propaganda. The third image/page would suffice all by itself!
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What's so great about the Elder's School???
by DATA-DOG ini have a friend who is an eldub and he just completed elder's school!
what did he learn?
as far as i can tell, he learned:.
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Nothing is great about elder schools. They're tiresome and an utter waste of time. -
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The Status of DO`s , Co`s , Zone Servants , or their equivalents , nowadays .
by smiddy ini am just trying to figure out who is an employer and an employee as opposed to a volunteer in this organisation .. are the governing body members of the wtb&ts employers ?
do they consider themselves volunteers ?.
are anybody male or female under their jurisdiction employee`s ?
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Marvin Shilmer
Are the Governing Body members of the WTB&TS employers ?
The Watchtower organization and it's adoring followers have been giving cagey answers to that question for a long, long time and probably for many and varied reasons.
So, for instance, when asked on his WWII draft registration card his employer's name and address, Fredrick Franz answered with "Administrator of the Gospel under direction of Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society."
The most direct written statement from a high ranking Watchtower corporate officer admitting an employer/employee relationship exists within the Watchtower structure is found in a letter dated December 17, 1943 and signed by then Watchtower President Nathan Homer Knorr. In this letter to the US Secretary of State Knorr wrote in his capacity as President and "as employer". This is a very rare instance of Watchtower admitting a status of employer in writing.
Just to finish the Knorr story, in a separate letter also dated December 17, 1943 Knorr wrote to the US Secretary of State on behalf of his private secretary, Milton George Henschel. He attached a copy of his letter written "as employer" in order to secure a passport for his secretary.
So in this instance (dated I know!) we have a corporate officer writing in their official capacity and declaring themselves "employer" and in tandem we have another letter making request for a secretary of the corporation as that secretary's employer.
Though dated, this might be the only known instance of Watchtower admitting in writing an employer/employee relationship between itself and staff.
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JW Blood Doctrine Constitutes Idolatry
by TTATTelder inif you sacrifice your life for something - that is devotion to the highest degree and can in certain context constitute worship.. .
as has been discussed many times on this forum, the blood doctrine of being willing to sacrifice life to honor a symbol of life (blood) is ludicrous (see this excellent thread by cofty http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/273265/my-explanation-why-they-got-wrong-about-blood-using-only-nwt?page=1).
it is also idolatry.... .
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Marvin Shilmer
A person who sacrifices their wife (or child, or anyone else) to preserve a photo of their wife (or child, or anyone else) is assigning a higher priority to the photo than the real thing. Aside from such a person being a lunatic, whether that prioritization is worship is debatable depending on how a person understands the term worship.
Regarding blood and symbolism the Watchtower organization holds two competing doctrines:
- On one hand it says blood is a symbol for life and we should be willing to sacrifice life out of regard for that symbol.
- On the other hand it says a symbol is not as important as the thing it symbolizes.
These two doctrinal positions collide the moment a decision must be made about whether a person's life should or shouldn't have priority over how they treat the supposed symbol of life.
See: Blood as important as life?
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RELIGION AND MENTAL ILLNESS!!!
by ADJUSTMENTS ini have have come to realize most "rank and file" jw's are mentally unstable-to-ill and here is why.... http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/mental-issues.php.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/religious_delusion.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/religion_and_schizophrenia.
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Marvin Shilmer
steve2,
I agree with what you write on this issue.
Probably the best study available on the subject is found in a 1983 article in the Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion (MacDonald and Luckett, Religious Affiliation and Psychiatric Diagnoses, Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion, 1983, Vol. 22, No. 1, pp. 15-37).
Findings of that article do not suggest there is more psychoses among Jehovah’s Witnesses compared with other religious affiliations. The study did include a category of "no religious preference" but compared with the various religious categories this group had it's own issues with the paramount one being alcoholism.
I have a short article addressing this study if readers are interested. See: Jehovah’s Witnesses and psychiatric diagnoses?
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'Tracing All Things With Accuracy' - How the Watchtower Society's Writing Department never makes a mistake
by jwleaks infrom the 2011 yearbook of jehovah's witnesses.. source: 'tracing all things with accuracy'.
tracing all things with accuracy.
jesus said that the faithful slave would be discreet in giving the domestics their food at the proper time.
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Marvin Shilmer
Accuracy and Watchtower's Writing Department
An Example of -- cough cough -- accuracy: Death from TRALI?
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RELIGION AND MENTAL ILLNESS!!!
by ADJUSTMENTS ini have have come to realize most "rank and file" jw's are mentally unstable-to-ill and here is why.... http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/mental-issues.php.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/religious_delusion.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/religion_and_schizophrenia.
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Jehovah's Witnesses and mental illness at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2011/09/mental-illness.html
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"Jehovah ALWAYS had/used an organization". How would you reply?
by EdenOne inin a recent meeting with elders, an argument was used to the effect that jehovah has always [= throughout history] used, or operated through, an organization; therefore, the wts must be that organization today, since god must be using one.
naturally, i know what arguments i've used to counter that argument.
but i'm interested in hearing yours.
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Marvin Shilmer
I just answer saying, No.
If I'm asked why I'd point out what some have already pointed out here, that even the Society acknowledges there was no central organization God was using for nearly 2,000 years. I'd say that's a gap.